Fantastic Four ($167,977,596)

WyldeMan wrote:Josh Trank is out of the Star Wars spinoff, so he's free to start work on the sequel for this now.

detective392 wrote:

WyldeMan wrote:Josh Trank is out of the Star Wars spinoff, so he's free to start work on the sequel for this now.

He was fired from Star Wars from all the shit he pulled while filming FF and no one wanting to deal with him.

WyldeMan wrote:

detective392 wrote:

WyldeMan wrote:Josh Trank is out of the Star Wars spinoff, so he's free to start work on the sequel for this now.

He was fired from Star Wars from all the shit he pulled while filming FF and no one wanting to deal with him.

What exactly did you hear, because all I know is he no-showed a SW press event a few weeks back and claimed it was an illness which Disney backed up, that was all I've heard.

[mention]Matthew Belloni @THRMattBelloni More: Disney execs told Josh Trank not to attend Star Wars celebration in April. The "flu" thing was a total lie.

Quote: Trank, 30, came to prominence with his 2012 found-footage superhero movie Chronicle and is currently finishing the Fantastic Four reboot for Fox. That film has an August release date. Trank raised eyebrows when he didn't show up for a planned presentation at Disney's Star Wars Celebration in April. At the time, Disney and Trank said he was not feeling well, with Trank tweeting that he had "worst flu of my life." But sources say Trank was asked by Disney executives not to attend the event. Rumors have persisted that Fox is unhappy with Trank's performance on Fantastic Four and that Kinberg, who is producing both that film and the second Star Wars spinoff, was getting cold feet about working with Trank again.[/mention] wrote:

[mention]Max Landis @Uptomyknees karma

Quote: Jeff Sneider ‏@TheInSneider That last RT, from CHRONICLE scribe @UpToMyKnees, speaks VOLUMES about the Josh Trank situation... Quote:

Jeff Sneider ‏@TheInSneider I recently told my PRIVATE Josh Trank story to a Disney executive. I wonder if it worked its way up the food chain. How could they NOT know? [/mention] wrote:

While director Josh Trank said Friday that he had “made a personal decision” to leave the Star Wars universe, sources say reports of the young director’s unusual conduct during the making of Fox’s upcoming Fantastic Four movie had raised alarm among Lucasfilm executives that were entrusting him with the second Star Wars standalone film. Trank, 30, had raised eyebrows in April when he didn’t appear as scheduled at a Star Wars celebration in Anaheim. At the time, both Disney and the director cited illness as the cause but multiple knowledgeable sources say the studio had asked the filmmaker not to attend while considering whether to proceed with him on the second spinoff in a planned series of films. Indeed, producers on Fantastic Four, set for release July 30, are said to have faced great challenges pulling the film together given behavior described by one insider as “erratic” and at times “very isolated.” Trank did not offer clear direction, this person adds, saying, "If you've got someone who can't answer questions or who isn't sure or is in hiding, that's not good." A Fox spokesman says the studio is “very happy with the movie and we can’t wait for audiences to see it” but acknowledges, “There were definitely some bumps in the road.” Among those bumps: Trank has several small dogs who were left in a rented house in New Orleans while the film was shooting there. According to sources, as much as $100,000 worth of damage was done to the property. A source says the production considers any destruction of the property to be Trank's responsibility. Citing Trank’s work on the 2012 found-footage superhero movie Chronicle, an insider says: “No question there’s talent there. You can’t do Chronicle by accident.” But Trank seemed “like one of these kids who comes to the NBA with all the talent and none of the character-based skills to handle it. There’s equipment he doesn’t yet have.” According to sources, Trank was sometimes indecisive and uncommunicative. Producers Simon Kinberg and Hutch Parker had to step in to help pull the film together, though sources stress that Trank was still on set and directing the film. (Were that not the case, the production could have run afoul of the Directors Guild of America.) Just over three months from opening, Fox’s Fantastic Four has done re-shoots. Those were complicated because stars Miles Teller, Kate Mara and Michael B. Jordan had obligations on other films. The most recent round, which involved three days of re-shoots at the end of April, had to take place on weekends because of Teller’s work on Todd Phillip’s Arms and the Dude. Parker and Kinberg are said to have been heavily involved in those re-shoots, pulling them away from duties in Canada on X-Men: Apocalypse, which they also are producing. Given the issues with Trank’s performance, the production added Stephen Rivkin (Avatar) to help pull the film together. Trank had hired his Chronicle editor, Elliot Greenberg, on the project. Fantastic Four is meant to reboot the Marvel superhero franchise for Fox. The comic is venerated for its place in history as it launched Marvel Comics in 1962 and was the early creation from Stan Lee and Jack Kirby. Fox made two movies, released in 2005 and 2007, that made $330 million and $289 million respectively but failed to capture moviegoers’ imagination. Fox hastened to make a new movie as it risked having the rights revert back to Marvel. Kinberg, who is producing the second Star Wars standalone project (the first, Rogue One, is being directed by Gareth Edwards for a December 2016 release), is said to have communicated his displeasure with Trank to Kathleen Kennedy and the team at Lucasfilm. As the Star Wars brain trust heard more about Trank's behavior and working style, they became less confident in handing over the film to him. Now, having decided to part ways, the studio is searching for another filmmaker to take over the project. wrote:

WyldeMan wrote:A young hotshot director riding high on a big success suddenly becomes erratic and starts exhibiting isolated behavior and nobody is even considering that Trank might be ayo for yayo?

Out of curiosity which sites did you pull those reports from? I follow at least 8 of the biggest ones and none of them had been reporting anything more than his no show.

WyldeMan wrote:Huh, THR is one of my sites. I have been doing a piss poor job apparently. Thank you for those. Guess I should start checking twitter feeds more.

UltimateMarvel wrote:The fact that they made them younger wasn't a good idea because that's not who they are in the comics and not where they're story starts.

WyldeMan wrote:Alba and Evans were even younger.

Obviously this is a message pretty sparse in terms of detail, but it's not hard to read between the lines. Based on this message, it sounds like Josh Trank was forced to give up creative control of this project about a year ago - after having put together a version of the film he himself was satisfied with - and that the cut that is being shown in theaters is more a product of 20th Century Fox than him. Exactly what was changed is entirely unclear at this point, and it sounds like we will never actually get to see the version of Fantastic Four that the filmmaker actually wanted to release.

Having seen Fantastic Four myself, I can say that it's a disappointment - and there's a certain point in the film where you can really sense some meddling where meddling shouldn't have been done. The first act of the movie really is solid, as it's actually interesting to see the titular four characters come together, crack the code for inter-dimensional travel, and gain powers that look absolutely horrific from the outset. It's unfortunately right after this point that the movie goes completely and shockingly off the rails, as its entirely missing a second and third act, and above all just feels like it's in a mad rush to end itself. It's possible that Josh Trank's version of the film doesn't have these same problems, but we may never know.

Since starting up in earnest a couple years ago, the production of Fantastic Four has constantly found itself in the midst of some kind of controversy or another, and in the aftermath it will be interesting to hear how all of the truth winds up being separated from the fiction.

ForeverBlu wrote:If Frank becomes a A list director, this will be his Alien 3.

Tyger wrote:That's funny because the first part of the trailer that looks like a sci if movie looks good, it's when they make it a Fantastic Four movie that it loses my interest.

ForeverBlu wrote:I heard that Miles Teller has been an asshole in several interviews.

What did Josh Trank do?


That was the question people were asking all over social media on Thursday night after the director of Fantastic Four tweeted — and then quickly deleted — a message slamming his own movie on the eve of its debut. The 31-year-old filmmaker, who became one of the industry’s most sought-after directors following the critical and commercial success of 2012’s dark, offbeat, teens-with-superpowers drama Chronicle, had this to say:


Reactions to this message, again, could be summed up simply: What did Josh Trank do?


What had he done to the perception of the film, which is already scraping the bottom of the Rotten Tomatoes meter of critical reaction, earning just 10-percent positive notices? (By contrast, a film that has been universally body-slammed by critics, Johnny Depp’s Mortdecai, collected 12 percent.)


What had he done to the box office for the movie, which cost a reported $122 million to make (and tens of millions more to market), and was in dire need of attracting a major audience as 20th Century Fox sought to reboot and retain its license of the iconic Marvel characters?

What did Trank do to the months of carefully coordinated public relations, aimed at convincing the public that Trank didn’t clash with producer/screenwriter Simon Kinberg and others during the film’s Baton Rouge shoot?
“None of those facts were true – and any of the facts that were true were spun in such a maliciously wrong way,” Trank said in a June interview with the Los Angeles Times (with Kinberg by his side). “If you ask anybody by name who I’ve worked with, from Simon to [producer] Hutch [Parker] or my crew or anybody else, they’d be like, ‘We’ve been working really hard on this movie and we’ve had an excellent time working together,’” he said. “It’s been a challenging movie — for all of the right reasons.”

Even though major reshoots were undertaken to create a more action-oriented conclusion, the pair denied rumors that Trank had been effectively dismissed from Fantastic Four while Kinberg and the studio retooled the climax in a bid to save a movie they saw as a catastrophe in the making. Trank also insisted this rumored discord didn’t lead to Lucasfilm dropping him from a planned Star Wars stand-alone film, which sources say was centered on a script about Boba Fett — written by Kinberg.

“I want to do something original after this because I’ve been living under public scrutiny, as you’ve seen, for the last four years of my life,” Trank told the Los Angeles Times. “And it’s not healthy for me right now in my life. I want to do something that’s below the radar.”

Those remarks were already being met with severe skepticism. And sources close to those films say, without question, Trank was fired from the movie after Lucasfilm executives investigated rumors of the Fantastic Four conflict, talking to numerous figures involved in the movie, and determined he would be too big a risk for a Star Wars film.

TWEET BOMB, BOX OFFICE BOMB

Trank’s tweet as Fantastic Four hits theaters unraveled the entire facade. Based on his own words, we now know that Trank had been removed from the film, was not happy with the final cut, and he wanted the world to understand that the movie being demolished by critics was not the one he wanted to make.

That reshot climax, by the way, is the main thing singled out in many reviews for being out of sync with the rest of the film and the character development that came before. So… that leads to another question:

What did Josh Trank do?


It’s the same five words, but they have a different meaning now: What was Trank’s contribution to this film? What was his original vision? And would that version of Fantastic Four have been better received by critics and audiences? The movie earned just $11.3 million during its opening day on Friday, well under expectations, and is now on track to gross less than $30 million for the three-day weekend.

Trouble on set does not always make a bad movie. Steven Spielberg was nearly fired from Jaws. Francis Ford Coppola faced the same threat on The Godfather. No one says Trank is at that level, and he definitely didn’t survive the way they did or make a movie that anyone thinks is worth watching (a view, apparently, he shares.) But it’s possible to be a solid storyteller, crafting an ambitious film, and still run afoul of a studio — which may value quality and innovation, sure, but more often prefers budgetary discipline and adherence to a proven formula.


This is why filmmakers with distinct vision, like Shaun of the Dead’s Edgar Wright and Selma’s Ava DuVernay, choose to step away from expensive, studio-tentpole comic-book movies before having to endure the inevitable compromises they bring.

But since this article was initially published, several high level sources close to Fantastic Four – spoken to independently of each other – have told EW the rift on set was not about creative differences but rather combative and abusive behavior Trank demonstrated toward the crew, producers, studio and even the stars. It’s partly linked to Trank’s personal disputes – involving accusations of deliberate damage done to the house he was renting, as revenge over a dispite with the landlord – which sources say eventually manifested on set as hostility and frustration from Trank.

Not all these new sources agree, however. Some who worked on the film say Trank broke, for sure, but was driven to the breaking point by the studio, and that his clash was not with Kinberg but Fox production president Emma Watts. According to several individuals who worked on the movie, the studio delayed casting and script approvals, slashed the budget by tens of millions from what was originally promised during the development phase, and tried to force last-minute script changes to the film just as principal photography was beginning.
The list of producers, which includes not only Kinberg but former Fox production chief Hutch Parker, and X-Men: First Class filmmaker Matthew Vaughn, suggests the studio kept switching up managers and expectations in a bid to save something that was clearly foundering from early on. Fox executives desperately wanted to reboot Fantastic Four after the indifferently received big screen versions in 2005 and 2007, but they also bristled at many of the traditional comic book elements that defined the characters.


There was uncertainty about who should star. Michael B. Jordan as Johnny Storm was set from the start, but the studio wanted a different actor than Miles Teller for Reed Richards. Trank won that battle, even though he later developed a mutually disdainful relationship with the actor – but Fox insisted that Kate Mara be given the role of Sue Storm, and Trank treated her badly as a result. Some say he was cruel, others say merely cold. No one says they got along.


Different sources say Trank was indecisive, others say the studio was hemming and hawing on his choices. Either way, the script was not finalized until late in preproduction, and continued to change right through reshoots, which stalled crew workers who were trying to build sets, make costumes, props, and prep the movie. This created confusion and stress from the get-go that often boiled over among department heads trying to put together pieces of a movie that was still in flux. That’s not in doubt, but the question is: who was at fault?


UPDATE: New sources on the situation continue to come forth, with some close to the movie arguing that whatever frustrations and conflicts Trank faced from the studio, they were normal parts of the production of a tentpole movie with a budget north of $100 million. Some theorize Trank was a talented storyteller but not nearly seasoned enough to manage the studio’s concerns, which led to a loss of confidence from Watts, and simmering tensions between Fox and the director that only escalated, right up to release day.


Other filmmakers have made the leap from micro-budgets to mega-blockbusters without such stumbles or volatility. Colin Trevorrow was known only for the low-budget Sundance sci-fi dramedy Safety Not Guaranteed, but managed to make Jurassic World without major behind-the-scenes conflict, as did Gareth Edwards, who jumped from the tiny Monsters to much bigger monsters in 2014’s Godzilla and is currently prepping the Star Wars stand-alone film Rogue One.


While no two filmmakers are alike, some who worked on Fantastic Four say Trank may not have had the clout or the temperament to weather the often maddening frustrations of big studio work. His now-famous tweet, they say, is an example of that hot-headedness.

We probably wouldn’t have heard about this movie’s backstage grief if not for that message – which revealed a falter in the uncomfortable smiles Fox and Trank had been showing.

DENY, DENY, DENY

Until now, everyone involved in Fantastic Four has been so busy denying there was any disruption or chaos on set or between the filmmaking team that Trank’s burst of truth and despair is difficult to interpret – even by those who have been trying to follow the developments on the film closely. Is this merely more evidence of the erratic behavior those who worked on the movie have discussed anonymously in the press?



Or… let’s give Trank the benefit of the doubt, just for a moment. Might Trank actually be the injured party here? That’s what was suggested by Max Landis, the screenwriter of Chronicle, who has previously directed sarcasm and scorn Trank’s way when the Star Wars film fell through. Although Landis wasn’t involved in Fantastic Four, he seemed to side with his former director on Thursday night.

In a series of late-night tweets, he had this to add: “Chronicle was an incredibly rare and easy ride …  I also loved collaborating with Josh, who I think is brilliant, and whose ideas inspired my script. I fought hard for him to direct. But Chronicle was a complete fluke. We had so much control because the movie was, in relation to other movies that year, TINY. … But I didn’t know that and I’m sure Josh didn’t know that either. In the five years since I sold Chronicle, I’ve learned the hard way.”


From there, Landis went on to address Fantastic Four directly: “Josh didn’t get that chance, and his second major project, after one with total freedom, was one with intense oversight. … But I do think it’s important to say that if you’re not prepared going in to not FIGHT like hell, but WORK like hell, it’s gonna get ugly.”

While fan reactions to Trank’s diss of his own film were mostly of the facepalm variety, sources tell EW this really wasn’t his film anymore, and wasn’t from nearly the start. It must have been impossible to resist addressing what the critics were saying about that ending — that studio meddling had undermined a potentially innovative take on some classic superheroes. But the flip-side from those close to the studio is that Trank’s vision is the one you can see on screens this weekend, and all the struggle and conflict was in service of trying to make the best version of the movie he delivered to them.

Trank’s defenders say his greatest crime would only be violating Hollywood omerta, that mafia-like vow of silence about the creative clashes that sometimes/often take place behind the scenes. After sitting quietly while Fantastic Four was pried out of his fingers, and smiling and talking about his desire to do original stories after a Star Wars film slipped away, and watching as his professional reputation was being pulverized, those close to Trank say he just decided he didn’t want to play make-believe anymore.

But Omerta works both ways. In this case, sources tell EW that, yes, the studio was desperate to protect the movie and didn’t want the story to focus on how the studio and producers were rehabilitating a troubled project, but they and Trank’s representatives were also trying to protect the filmmaker from public embarrassment. With his angry tweet, many outsiders interpreted it as Trank biting the hand that fed him, but several individuals who worked on the movie now say he was actually biting the hand that covered him from public scrutiny.

One counterpoint worth noting is that the studio’s production executives have also escaped scrutiny for their handling of the film. Those on Team Trank say this freshly-bitten hand of Fox was actually holding Trank up as a shield.

UPDATE: Still, other sources say that as recently as last week, Trank was bullish on the success of Fantastic Four, and sent emails to actors and colleagues on the film praising the finished product, boasting that it was better than 90 percent of comic book movies that have been released, despite the struggles to get it made. Maybe he was just maintaining that practied false positivity, but some who worked closely with him think the devastatingly negative reviews made him panic and decide to distance himself publicly from the movie. If Fantastic Four had opened to more postive, or even mixed reviews, those close to the studio say Trank may instead have sent out tweets claiming credit.

Although the ending to the movie did have to be finished with reshoots (as Mara’s obvious wig attests), Trank was never fired from the film and remained involved in the process through the end. Some close to the studio say Fox now regrets not outright dropping him. How much Fox was willing to listen to him by the end, and whether his guidance and vision were any good, is where opinions split.

At one point, everyone wanted to have their hands on the wheel. Now … no one wants to be in the front seat of this head-on collision. Here’s what’s clear: The studio buckled its seatbelt and braced for impact. Trank tried to bail out.

AN EVOLVING AFTERMATH

Among the filmmakers willing to play devil’s advocate was Joe Carnahan, director of Narc, The A-Team, and The Grey — and the almost-director of Mission: Impossible III, before disagreements with producers Tom Cruise and Paula Wagner led him to step down while the reins were handed to J.J. Abrams.

Carnahan also had harsh words for the fans he saw delighting in Trank’s misfortune.

So what now? Fox did not immediately offer a comment. Kinberg, too, declined EW’s request for thoughts on the subject, and Trank’s reps certainly didn’t leap to add more to this conversation. But in an interview conducted before the Fantastic Four release, Kinberg offered this about oft-discussed discourse surrounding the project.

“What I do think we had was a very young director making a very big movie. And a director that, for whatever reason, people were either rooting against or his personality troubled the press. So it just got viewed differently than any other movie that’s a tough movie. We came in on schedule, under budget, [with] a movie that was pretty true to the original intent of the film. Whether people like it or not, it was his vision, which was a more grounded, a much more real version of Fantastic Four. Was it an easy production? No. Was it harder than a lot of the movies I’ve been on? No. But I may also have a higher threshold. I think there was something about Josh’s identity that made him a good target. I’m not sure what that is.”

Fantastic Four will probably suffer for Trank’s words — but it was already on fire and going down from the barrage of incendiary reviews. (What this means for that already-announced sequel, set for 2017, remains unclear.) If there’s a winner amid this wreckage, however, it’s probably Marvel Studios, which will likely reclaim the characters unless Fox can figure out how to salvage its franchise.


There are a lot of question marks in this story, and we may never know the answer to some of them: Was Trank’s version of the movie better? Would it have been safer for him to keep silent? Who will take over the Star Wars film he was set to direct?

One thing that’s not in doubt: Chronicle was an amazing movie, and Trank had control over that one.
Somewhere along the way, that control was taken from him, or maybe he lost it himself. No movie falls apart because of one person, however, not even a key figure like the director.

Maybe he is difficult. (He wouldn’t be the first high maintenance filmmaker.) Maybe he’s even erratic or off-putting. (Again, these are far from unusual traits in Hollywood.) For now, it seems Trank’s troubles extend far beyond the film industry’s tolerance for rambunctious, creative personalities. It certainly would be interesting to see Trank’s original cut and find out for sure, but one thing everybody agrees on is this: that will never happen.

Is Trank a good director? Could he be great someday? The only way to find out is for someone to hand him another story to tell, and unfortunately, that may not be a bet any producer or studio wants to take right now.

But the only things that outnumber volatile personalities in Hollywood are second chances. While we sit around asking, What did Josh Trank do?, there’s another question worth asking.
What can Josh Trank do next?

Tyger wrote:Interesting read. I've always thought the fault was firmly on both sides. Hopefully Marvel gets their characters back now.

WyldeMan wrote:

Tyger wrote:Interesting read. I've always thought the fault was firmly on both sides. Hopefully Marvel gets their characters back now.

In one of Marvel's many brilliant sales when they prostituted their entire lineup to every studio with cash, Fox owns the rights to FF through at least 2024.

UltimateMarvel wrote:

WyldeMan wrote:

Tyger wrote:Interesting read. I've always thought the fault was firmly on both sides. Hopefully Marvel gets their characters back now.

In one of Marvel's many brilliant sales when they prostituted their entire lineup to every studio with cash, Fox owns the rights to FF through at least 2024.

Damn! Can they renegotiate?

WyldeMan wrote:I believe Fox could sell the rights back to Marvel but that isn't likely to happen. Unlike Warner who owns the entire DC catalog, Marvel sold off their rights to a lot of different studios back in the 80s and they still haven't gotten them back.

UltimateMarvel wrote:I thought they had most of them back? How much does Marvel own right now percentage wise approx?